Bent Genny

Part # 4 - Single, Blank & Dual Rotor Comparison...

Jan 17th 2007


 

In concluding Part #3, a data collector was added to provide accurate data relative to the RPM, Voltage, Current, Wattage and the total wattage per logging session recorded. The data is sent via RS-232 to a PC that stores the data for display and later analysis.

The Genny is used daily by 3 of us within the household. My wife & I each like to crank-out 30Watt/hrs per session. My goal is to slowly build-up to 50Watt/hrs over the next month or so. I can appreciate that 50Watt/hrs may seem like a dimensionless value if you've never tracked how much energy you expend over time in an exercise regime (I couldn't), but let me assure you over the last few weeks I have grown a considerable respect for the value of a Kilo Watt hour.

At 6 or 7 cents per KW/H here in rural Ontario, it has to be one of the best deals going, even if it tripled, or was ten times or say $1/Kwh it's fantastic value once you start to see how much work it really is.

With so many data samples being logged I've revised the "Delta Stator" graph with just a single Rotor in place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The graph above is comprised of 1229 samples of RPM & Wattage plotted in a "Scatter Graph". The variability of the wattage output at any particular RPM value is due to a couple of factors;

a) the ADC (analog to digital converter) that is counting the stator pulses to determine RPM has a limited resolution of 7.5RPM for a 16pole rotor.

b) the instantaneous reading is not within the context of the rotor accelerating or decelerating at the moment it is being sampled. 

The key data points are that current starts to flow into a 12V load @ approx 280RPM and that the generator peaks out at 160watts @ 775RPM.

This becomes the baseline or reference for any changes to the Generator.

Just to be clear, my intention was never to build a Hyper complicated exercise machine, but to build a basic platform that I could test Wind Mill generator designs on.

 

 

 

 

To that end a second 1/4" steel rotor is cut and fixed to the generator.

The idea is that the permeability of the heavy steel plate draws the magnetic flux lines more thoroughly through the stator.

The second rotor is fixed in position relative to the first by 4 lengths of threaded rod.

The magnetic draw on the second plate is considerable, certainly enough to hold it in place quite firmly (but I bolted it down just the same).

 

 

 

 

 

 

As this was just an intermediate step I opted to settle for only 603 samples, which make up the graph below plotting a similar trend as shown above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what's the difference between a single rotor and a plain old piece of steel on the other side of the stator?

Charging starts @ 190RPM and the generator peaks out 183Watts @ 670RPM. 

 

 

 

 

 

The next step is to make a complete second rotor with magnets aligned to the first.

The yellow "Witness Marks" are painted on to create a point of reference for the magnet placement template (as used on the first rotor in Section #1)

The Magnets are arranged so as to attract the two rotors together, ie; N to S.

I checked this 3 times to be sure I had good alignment before casting the rotor in resin.

 

 

 

 

 

I lined-up the first 48 matching magnets that I could find (3 per pole).

Although the shape is identical, these are marginally thicker.

The original rotor was set-up with poles that were 1/2" tall, where these ended-up being only 0.4" tall.

I settled for what I had immediately on hand rather than hunting about for 16 more. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again the rotor is cast with a polyester resin that has had blue enamel paint added as a tint.

Although I'm just learning the most basics of generator building, I can see eventually standardizing the colour schemes of the rotors of various machines based on the number of poles or variations in diameter.

The mold that is shown is the same one as was use for the original rotor, and as such can be considered re-usable.

 

 

 

 

 

Holy Fuck!!! but do these rotors ever have a lot of drawing power between them when being installed.

I thought that I'd broken the stator the first time they slammed together.

There is a slight edge below the surface of the poles to grab onto, I can easily see a finger getting busted if one wasn't paying attention at this stage.

Bear in mind that this is a comparatively small unit with rather sub-standard components. If you were to use premium grade magnets from a source such as "Otherpower.com" the need for vigilance would be increased (as would the output).

Since this is still largely in a test mode, I opted to carefully set the nuts shown on the rotor bolts at a uniform height relative to the original rotor using the calipers shown. Eventually I will cut a solid spacer that would be faced-off on the lathe for truer alignment.

 

 

 

 

 

The stator took a bit of fiddling to position between the two rotors with a 3/4" gap between the 2 rotor pole faces.

The stator is approx 1/2" thick, and has 1/8th" gap on either side (approx).

The key concern I have is that the rotors aren't scuffing against the stator and eventually causing a short or open within a coil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The graph below is made up of 1115 data samples, with a marginally higher cut-in or charging speed @ 230RPM (possibly from the stator being aligned differently) but with a peak output of 203Watts @ 550RPM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The generator as posted above may well still be improved with some tweaking here or there, but I'm satisfied with it's performance for now. The "Peak Output" is somewhat misleading in that it is actually the peak output of the human that is running the pedals. This is certainly a limiting feature of this configuration as "Test Bed".

In conclusion, I feel more comfortable about the relative output capabilities of the 3 Rotor configurations outlined above; Single, single with a blank Rotor and the highest output from a dual rotor arrangement.

Also I'd like to note that there may actually be a further boost in output by dropping the "Black Magnetite Sand" that was embedded within the stator. The idea of incorporating the magnetite into the stator was to improve the drawing of the magnetic flux through the coils, while with a Dual Rotor or even Blank rotor design it becomes redundant and even may degrade the output.

 

 

Human Powered Recumbent Generator , 2, 3, 4


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